This Just In...

As I stated previously, sex offender sympathizers writing from other states, in order for your comments to be posted here, you must give their your names and your communities of residence.

Do that, and you can spout off all the pro-pervert nonsense you want.

If you don't, forget it. Your comment will be dust in the wind.

As I stated previously, sex offender sympathizers writing from other states, in order for your comments to be posted here, you must give their your names and your communities of residence.

Do that, and you can spout off all the pro-pervert nonsense you want.

If you don't, forget it. Your comment will be dust in the wind.

Kevin,

Your are a lost cause. I, and others have in the past posted here with, what I thought was a forum that gave both sides of the coin. However, Your narroe mindless and subjective attitude is to be your downfall.

if you check out this article you will find our last conversation in total. Even though you decided to "touch up" in order to make your self aggrandizement more prominent in that article.

Your mind is os messed up that I understand that you won the great shittake award for your catagory

See: our conversation in total here.

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If you are true, My name is Linda Wagner, Tulsa. Oklahoma

Please post

You'll never learn, will you, Kevin? I post my real name (Derek "The Fallen One" Logue) and location (Cincinnati, Ohio) on my highly respected website, www.oncefallen.com, a leading authority on the truth about sex-offender laws. In all fairness, you should give me your address so I'll know where to send you that Shiitake Award you won. At least now you can REALLY say you're an "award winning" journalist LOL.

The fact remains you can't accept the fact that states learned quickly the Adam Walsh Act is overkill and the states know it. Ohio and Oklahoma passed the SORNA requirements, costing them millions, and extending the registration requirements overnight. They still have yet to pass civil commitment, GPS, mandatory minimums, a child abuse registry, and commit to follow up studies, which will cost millions more. I guess since you work for a Republican you wouldn't understand that your precious feel good laws cost a ton of money while getting less than an ounce of returns. Real results involve unpopular legislation. The village idiot can spout kill em' all legislation, but thousands of years of zero tolerance actions have failed to solve the problem. Maybe its time to reassess your position. I have a nice article on Prevention at my website I suggest you check out.

At this rate, you are already in line to repeat your Shiitake Award winning performance.

As an aside, I'd love to debate you on my ReFORM Radio show on Talk Shoe, but judging by your censorship and the lack of willingness to discuss the truth, I doubt you're man enough to accept my challenge.

One last note: studies are showing that your get tough laws are actually MAKING THINGS WORSE. In an ironic way, your stance has done more to encourage recidivism, or as you put it "pro-pervert," than by anyone coming here to offer a different opinion. Chew on that, Mr. Fischer!

How HR 4472 Passed the U.S. House and Reasons Why it is a BAD Law?

Perhaps the most important fact to know about "Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006" (HR 4472) is that, the full U.S. House has never seen portions of this bill, nor have they voted on portions of it, before the rules were suspended. Congressional procedure was thwarted. How could this happen, well here is how. Be ready to see how ONE Congressman -using tricks in the rules- controlled the entire U.S. House to pass this very bad law! Then again, when the bill came back from the Senate This Congressman followed the same procedures to deny the full house access to the morphed bill.

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The second important fact is what happened in the Senate -behind closed doors- where HR-4472 was again morphed into a new creature. Like in the House, Senators were also denied access to the -behind closed doors sessions- on a new creature which was ultimately dedicated to a murdered child victim, Adam Walsh, by someone who is not known, and not known to be a sex offender.

The following outlines the birth, or morphism, of the bill HR-4472 into enactment! A law created by a handful of Congressmen, not representative of the nation, and using a congressional rule known as "suspension of the rules" and to obtain the signatures and votes of the remainder of lawmakers without their knowledge.

Could the remainder of the lawmakers stop this runaway train, yes, but likely it would have been at the expense of their career. They would have been accused of coddling former sex offenders, certainly political suicide. The story:

   Historical Background:

   In May of 2005 Sen. Hatch introduced "Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act" (S-1086) and was working on this bill. Then the Senate passed the bill in May of 2006 and sent it to the US House.

   In June of 2005 Rep. Sensenbrenner introduced "the Children's Safety Act of 2005" (HR 3132), then in September 2005, the US House passed it sending it to the Senate, there the bill died. It died for good reasons; it violated principles of constitutional law. It was overbearing on past offenders and failed to prevent future sexual offenses.

   A stalemate ensued, neither side liking what the other presented. Rep. Sensenbrenner knew that the Senate did not like his bill, there must have been some back-door discussions which let him know that. Clearly lawmakers were being pressured to come up with something although at that time no one knew where the pressure was coming from.

March 8, 2006 U.S. House:

Then in December of 2005 Rep. Sensenbrenner, wanting a do-over, introduced the "Children's Safety and Violent Crime Reduction Act of 2005" (HR-4472 Version-1). Remember, when the bill was introduced it was referred to the House Judiciary Committee, guess who was Chairman, Rep. Sensenbrenner. Key point to remember.

   Construction of HR 4472 Version-1 (CLICK > Text of Legislation > Version #1): The bill began with the guts of the former HR-3132 (which died in the Senate), with many provisions made harsher. Additionally, there were many sections dealing with gangs not a subject of this Op-Ed. This made up HR 4472 as introduced (Version-1) and it was referred to the Judiciary Committee.

       NOTE: While in the Judiciary Committee, another group of bills get morphed into HR-4472, for discussion sake I'll refer to them as "The Morphed Bills." Watch carefully the dates bills are introduced in the House and when the House ultimately votes on HR-4472 (packaged w/morphed bills) on March 8, 2006.

   The Morphed Bills: and HR 4732 (Intro: 2-8-06) and HR 4815 (Intro: 2-28-06) and HR 4883 (Intro: 3-7-06) and HR 4905 (Intro: 3-8-06). This is now HR 4472 (Version-2) (CLICK > Text of Legislation > Version #2).

       Note: Each of the morphed bills, when Introduced in the House were referred to the Judiciary Committee and never came out of committee, instead they were morphed into HR 4472.

       Specifically, HR 4815 Paul Gillmor's National RSO Classification System and HR 4905 Mark Foley's National RSO Registration Requirements, directly pertain to RSOs nationally. HR 4905 was a complete harsher rewrite of his bill (HR 3133) that was originally within the failed HR 3132.

       Mark Foley's HR 4905 was introduced by him, on 3-8-06, only minutes before it was morphed into HR 4472, and then walked into the full House for a floor vote on Hr 4472. There is no way possible hundreds of House members had any opportunity to review that bill or what effects it may have on the laws of their respective states. This was a runaway train with no engineer excepting HR 4472's author.

   Version-2 was sent to the House floor on 3-8-06 where the title was changed to the "Children's Safety and Violent Crime Reduction Act of 2006" (Year changed) (HR 4472 Version-3) (CLICK > Text of Legislation > Version #3).

In the House on March 8, 2006 Rep. Sensenbrenner motioned the House (only 20 or so Members were present) to "Suspend the Rules" in order to get HR 4472 (Version-3) passed and sent to the Senate; fast tracking the bill.

   Rep. Sensenbrenner tells the Speaker:

   "H.R. 3132, the Children's Safety Act of 2005, passed the House on September 14 of last year by a vote of 371-52. H.R. 1751, the Secure Access to Justice and Courthouse Protection Act, was approved by the House on November 9, 2005, by a vote of 375-45, and H.R. 1279, the Gang Prevention and Deterrence Act, passed the House on May 11, 2005, by a vote of 279-144. H.R. 4472 incorporates core provisions of each bill with some modifications and additions." (See March 8 transcript below)

Unbelievable comment "H.R. 4472 incorporates core provisions of each bill with some modifications and additions," without fully explaining what they were, virtually a rewrite, and the Speaker of the House permitted him to -suspend the rules- on that information. Rep. Sensenbrenner fails to tell the Speaker about the remainder of the Hidden Bills which were morphed into HR 4472 during its stay in the Judiciary Committee (Bills: 4732, 4815, 4883, 4905).

       (Suspend the Rules: ... Because the rules may be suspended and the bill passed only by affirmative vote of two-thirds of the Members voting, a quorum being present, this procedure is usually used only for expedited consideration of relatively noncontroversial public measures.)

       Further, a quorum of the House must be present to vote, and they were not, there were about 20 present. Accordingly the vote should not have been permitted, but did take place. (See March 8, 2006 Transcript below).

   The Speaker was not made aware of the the Morphed Bills, which is required, and that the full House had never debated them, nor did they come out of the Judiciary Committee. Rep. Sensenbrenner infers, the Full House reviewed and voted on HR 3132 in September, but ignores that it was virtually rewritten and made harsher (Morphed bills printed is 38 pgs. HR-4472 printed is 77pgs. Means 49% of bill was new, minutes, before it went to the House floor for a vote under suspension of the rules.). Finally, a voice vote was taken, the bill passed, and there is no written record of that voice vote.

The March 8th Transcript (color coded to point out certain things) along with the above, will help folks verify and understand what took place and who did object and on what basis. The result was HR 4472 passed -under suspension of the rules- and sent to the Senate. Remember, this was March 8, 2006!

May 4, 2006 Larry King LIVE:

Larry King LIVE, Larry was questioning John Walsh and Ed Smart (father of Elizabeth Smart who was abducted and held some 9 months by a self-proclaim prophet, quote:

   "KING: This new law, Ed, though [it sic] wouldn't have covered her alleged abductor who had no prior record right?

   ED SMART: No prior record.

   KING: So, you're still for it even though it wouldn't?

   ED SMART: Absolutely. I think that in most cases they are -- they do have prior records.

   KING: Ninety-five percent (INAUDIBLE).

   ED SMART: And because of that [95%] -- absolutely and I mean, you know, I think that the majority of the people out there are people that the family knows and people that you're trusting in and unfortunately you've got to be aware of your surroundings and be aware that this risk is there."

   (Transcript Larry King Live 5-4-06)

The abducters of Elizabeth Smart (a panhandler hired by Elizabeth's mother to work on the Smart home in 2001) had no prior record which means, nothing in either S 1086 or HR 4472 would have prevented that horendous crime. Here we have Bill supporters using misinformation to make a point, a broad sound bite. In fact, the DOJ also proved that nonsex offenders released from prison commit six new sex offenses to every one committed by a released sex offfender.

July 16, 2006 Nancy Grace Show:

   ELIZABETH SMART: Thank you.

   GRACE: What are you doing in Washington today?

   ELIZABETH SMART: We have been on Capitol Hill, helping to get this bill through, pushing to get it through.

   GRACE: Is Senator Orrin Hatch helping you?

   ELIZABETH SMART: Yes.

   GRACE: Let`s go to the senator right now before we go back to Elizabeth. Senator Hatch, thank you for being with us. Explain to us what the bill is all about.

   SEN. ORRIN HATCH (R), UTAH: Well, the bill really puts the screws to those who are sexual predators, and you know, sexual offenders. You know, we have around 500,000 of them in this country that we know of, and about 150,000 of them we don`t know even where they are, even though they`re supposed to report in. This bill stop that. This bill will require them to report in regularly. If they don`t, they`re going back to jail. If they break the rules after that, they`ll have to wear a leg brace or leg monitor that we can talk to them any time we want. If they try to take that off, they`re going to get hit really hard.

   So the bill also makes inroads with regard to using the Internet and using, you know, the on-line approach to try and lure young girls away.

   GRACE: Senator Hatch, do you expect a lot of political wrangling? Elizabeth is there with her father, trying to make a difference on Capitol Hill. Do you believe a lot of addendums will be added and this will actually meet opposition?

   HATCH: No, I don`t. As a matter of fact, I signed off on the bill this evening. We`ve got the bill worked out between the House and the Senate. I really don`t believe that anybody is going to fight it. It should come up tomorrow. And I believe we`ll get it through.

   And I think we all owe, you know, Ed Smart and his beautiful daughter, Elizabeth, a great deal of thanks and a lot of others, as well, but they have particularly worked very hard. And so has John Walsh. We want to get this bill through this week so that the president can sign it on the 27th of April [sic July], which was -- would be the 25th anniversary of Adam Walsh`s death. And it`s named the Adam Walsh Bill.

   (Transcript Nancy Grace show 7-16-06)